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Anyone fitted Bilstein B16 Damptronic Coilovers?

DSC Sport

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Jessup, MD
Car(s)
7.5 Golf R
Was in the same boat...

According to Bilstein the B16 coilovers cannot be rebuilt in the USA. Also, I'm not sure how stout the OEM DCC struts are to run stiffer springs. Any lowering spring will diminish the strut itself. Also, I'm very doubtful the DSC (no offense) controller can essentially act as a spring and shock in that it totally outweighs the function of a well matched coilover (match dampened strut + lowering spring). I would be interested in a shock setup that is designed by DSC that utilizes the controller AND has a track/road setup well integrated.

For now, consider the many coilover offerings out there. You won't lose much without the DCC.
No offense taken. There is no arguing the benefits of a correctly valved coilover and matching spring. But what we do here is make the most out of someones existing setup, in this case a pretty compliant factory strut. These use a Monroe Tenneco Valve which has proven to be one of the best responding units for an active suspension. But what we hope for as a company, is that consumer will use our controller for that existing setup to maximize the factory performance, and then if they feel they want to get the most potential out of a controller and their car, they will then upgrade to our Tractive/DSC Coilovers.
 

DSC Sport

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Jessup, MD
Car(s)
7.5 Golf R
But in the same aspect, as Cuzoe was saying, that coilover may not be well suited for every use of that car. Yes if it is a designated track car, and getting trailered most of the time. A true coilover is still going to be great. There are still places an active suspension could benefit here, like cutting an apex of corner a hair too tight and clipping the rumble strips. This could easily upset a passive setup, but with a active setup, the suspension could absorb that momentary impact and adjust that specific strut accordingly

But if that person has a daily driver, weekend cruiser, back road car, or an autocross racer, this is where an active setup will top a coilover all day. This gives you the ability to have a nice soft everyday ride that can absorb bumps and potholes far better than factory. But then also provide the correct dampening curves and responses to a car being pushed hard on those back roads or around a track.
 
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GolfRRRR1

Go Kart Champion
Location
Michigan
But if that person has a daily driver, weekend cruiser, back road car, or an autocross racer, this is where an active setup will top a coilover all day. This gives you the ability to have a nice soft everyday ride that can absorb bumps and potholes far better than factory. But then also provide the correct dampening curves and responses to a car being pushed hard on those back roads or around a track.
^this is me. Long comfortable road trips, zipping through traffic and backroads and an occasional autocross or lapping event.
 

ECNMY R

Drag Race Newbie
Location
California
Car(s)
R, RS3, GTS 4.0
Was looking to move on from stock DCC dampers and Eibach springs to B16s eventually, in search of a more refined setup, but this news about them being less capable than stock has taken them off the table. Very interested in what a DSC controller dialed in for aftermarket springs can do with stock dampers.

Calibrating the stock dampers to aftermarket springs must help reduce premature wear, but making them more "active" with a DSC must accelerate it. I wonder if and how much these things offset.
 

Travis1041

New member
Location
Texas
Car(s)
Golf r
Interested. Installed new springs and the ride sucks. Maybe the dcc just needs adjusting. But am interested in alternative that would give a better ride in comfort.
 

Cuzoe

Autocross Champion
Location
Los Angeles
Interested. Installed new springs and the ride sucks. Maybe the dcc just needs adjusting. But am interested in alternative that would give a better ride in comfort.
Get your car fully up on a lift or jack stands (all 4 wheels hanging freely) then run DCC basic settings using VCDS or OBD11. With the lowered height of your new springs the DCC module "thinks" the suspension is under compression so all the dampers are in the stiffer range of the respective drive mode. Good length thread about this over on Vortex, quite a few people got their car back to feeling right again.

None of that is to say you might not still be interested in the DSC controller but running basic settings should help you out anyway. Should at least return the feeling of different modes.
 

scrllock

Autocross Champion
Location
MI
Get your car fully up on a lift or jack stands (all 4 wheels hanging freely) then run DCC basic settings using VCDS or OBD11. With the lowered height of your new springs the DCC module "thinks" the suspension is under compression so all the dampers are in the stiffer range of the respective drive mode. Good length thread about this over on Vortex, quite a few people got their car back to feeling right again.

None of that is to say you might not still be interested in the DSC controller but running basic settings should help you out anyway. Should at least return the feeling of different modes.
Still waiting on @DSC Sport to clarify but there's a zero ride height procedure in their software, it's not clear if this should be done at install time and/or when changes like springs are made. I assumed it was akin to the dcc adaptation reset tho
 

DSC Sport

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Jessup, MD
Car(s)
7.5 Golf R
Still waiting on @DSC Sport to clarify but there's a zero ride height procedure in their software, it's not clear if this should be done at install time and/or when changes like springs are made. I assumed it was akin to the dcc adaptation reset tho
Im sorry but that is incorrect, In our software, under the tools tab, there is an option that says "zero ride height". Car just needs to be on a flat surface and it will recalibrate to the ride height it sees at each shock. Only takes about 30 seconds to complete with our controller plugged into a laptop
 

scrllock

Autocross Champion
Location
MI
Cool, that's nice and simple. Does this mean that's all that needs to be done after a suspension change or does the expensive dealer adaptation process still need to happen?
 

DSC Sport

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Jessup, MD
Car(s)
7.5 Golf R
Based on our experience with each of our installs, our "zero ride height" feature, eliminates the need for any dealer when lowering the car.
 

Cuzoe

Autocross Champion
Location
Los Angeles
Not that's a huge problem anyway... but is the "zero ride height" feature on the DSC controller is done with the car on the ground or with all wheels hanging?
 

DSC Sport

Passed Driver's Ed
Location
Jessup, MD
Car(s)
7.5 Golf R
Not that's a huge problem anyway... but is the "zero ride height" feature on the DSC controller is done with the car on the ground or with all wheels hanging?
On the ground. It recognizes the new ride height by seeing how much the damper is compressed while sitting completely flat with the full vehicle weight on the car.
 

Cuzoe

Autocross Champion
Location
Los Angeles
On the ground. It recognizes the new ride height by seeing how much the damper is compressed while sitting completely flat with the full vehicle weight on the car.
Nice, simpler than the factory basic settings... now again, when is development starting for Torsion Beam with DCC :ROFLMAO:. I strongly believe the potential is there to make a sale to 1 customer.
 

scrapin240

Drag Racing Champion
Location
IzzaGolf
Car(s)
Golf
B16 with DCC delete here, works great on the street using it on settings 2-5 and run decent times on track with it at higher settings.

The springs rates are on the lower side of the spectrum, so they are very good on the street and good for occasional track use. No complaints thus far.
 
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