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Russian Troops Stole The Body Of Catherine The Great's Lover From His Tomb In Ukraine (msn.com)

Deadly missile not 'an intentional attack on Poland,' Polish leader says; Ukraine air defense improves: Live updates (msn.com) Methinks somebody should have proofed that headline

At G-20, President Biden works to head off wider Russia crisis after missile kills two in Poland (msn.com)

Trained by Moscow and NATO and hardened in Donbas: The generals who ouftoxed Putin’s forces in Ukraine (msn.com)

Italy PM: It 'changes very little' if Poland blast was not due to Russia (msn.com)

Lithuania supports installation of air defense systems on NATO’s eastern flank (msn.com)

Russia denies attacking Kiev and denies involvement in the launch of the projectile that hit Poland (msn.com)

NASAMS air defense system have 100% success rate in Ukraine - Pentagon chief (msn.com)

Ukraine counts more than 600 Russian servicemen killed in combat during the last 24 hours (msn.com)

Putin calls for price controls as Russian car sales crash to record low | Reuters

Russia summons Polish ambassador to Moscow (msn.com)

Russia blames «swiftness» of Ukraine’s accusations on its efforts to gain more support (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin now criticized by close ally whose daughter was famously killed in a car bomb (msn.com)

Zelensky releases message as Russian missiles strike cities | Watch (msn.com)

Ukraine's Kyivstar resumes telco coverage in Kherson after Russia exit (msn.com)

Russian TV Pundits Fear History Repeating Itself With Uprising Over War (msn.com)

The Missile Hit on Poland Shows the Heightened Risk of Escalation (msn.com)

Missile Blast in Poland Risked Russia-NATO Clash Before Both Sides Dialed Back (msn.com)

Brutality of war grips Polish village where missile struck (msn.com)

Zelenski insists that the downed missile in Poland is not Ukrainian despite the version of his partners (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin reportedly has a back-up plan to escape to Africa: Here's what we know about the claims (msn.com)

Ukraine uncovers Russian torture chamber in Kherson (msn.com)

Bush calls Zelenskyy ‘tough dude,’ says Ukraine can win (msn.com)

At least one killed and seven wounded in new Russian attack on Donetsk (msn.com)

Stray missiles: What Ukraine, Poland can learn from Israel - analysis (msn.com)

Iran using commercial airliners to ship drones to Russia | Watch (msn.com)

Hungary stands firmly by Poland, Orban says after blast near Ukraine border (msn.com)

Russian economy shrinks 4% in third quarter - statistics agency (msn.com)

Nearly 1 in 3 Prisoners Freed by Retreating Russians Recaptured, Ukraine Says (msn.com)

World Leaders Condemn Putin's War, Nuclear Threats Amid Pressure Campaign Against Russia (msn.com)

Meet Sergei Shoigu - Russia's Minister of Defense and possible successor to Putin (msn.com)

Putin's Kherson Retreat Signals Russia May Be Learning From Slips: Experts (msn.com)

U.S. general plays down odds of near-term military victory in Ukraine (msn.com)

Ukraine's Zelenskiy says he met CIA head Burns in Kyiv (msn.com)
 

Unreal1

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I never thought it was intentional. They're disorganized enough I could see it happening on accident. I'm glad they haven't worked up the nerve to cross that boundary yet, and hopefully they never will. It's the only reason I'm not anxious about impending nuclear war.

Anything is possible, but it was too far off course for that to likely have come from Russia - intentional or not. People aren't giving their military capabilities enough credit because they're losing against a country that was given billions of dollars worth of weaponry.
 

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Spammy is back

'We survived': Kherson comes alive after Russian withdrawal (msn.com)

Russian TV Calls for 'Hurting' U.S., U.K. Territory With Direct Deterrence (msn.com) So much for Ukraine trying to suck in the west. Looks to me as if the Soviets are trying to do that.

Ukraine news latest: Rishi Sunak meets Zelensky in Kyiv to pledge £50m in defence aid (msn.com)

Putin’s forces ‘dig in 60km behind Ukraine front line’ as Russia fears more losses (msn.com)

Russia ‘borrows $13.6bn in largest ever debt issuance in a single day’ to continue faltering war (msn.com)

UK defense ministry: Russia's record debt issuance indicates expectation of fiscal instability (msn.com)

'Relentless' Ukraine Troops See Golden Opportunity in Winter Warfare (msn.com)

Ukraine Destroys Russian 'Base Point' at Kinburn Spit: Report (msn.com)

Ukrainian deputy defense minister estimates that the offensive in Crimea could take place by the end of December (msn.com)

Ukraine Trolls Russia With Video of Soldier Surrendering to Drone (msn.com)

Putin successor will be ‘more aggressive' - with ‘real Russian fascism' a genuine prospect (msn.com)

Possible Putin Challenger Is 'Voice of the People,' Ex-Kremlin Adviser Says (msn.com)

General Staff: Increased number of Russian troops seen in occupied Luhansk (msn.com)

Russian gas pipeline explodes near St. Petersburg, video shows (msn.com)

As Russia’s war fails, domestic turmoil is intensifying (msn.com)

Russian invasion could be over by Spring, says Ukrainian minister (msn.com)

Reality of Ukraine War Laid Bare in Stark New Photography Collection (msn.com)

Russia trying to exhaust Ukraine's air defenses, Pentagon official says (msn.com)

Is Zelensky Trying America's Patience? (msn.com)

Russia – Seven dead on Russia’s Sakhalin Island in gas explosion at home (msn.com)

Russia's Ukraine invasion offers preview to potential global tyranny -US Defense Secretary (msn.com)

German Embassy: Gepard anti-aircraft guns help Ukraine take down Iranian drones (msn.com)

Putin’s ‘Hunky-Dory’ Act Flops as Frantic Russians Flee Crimea (msn.com)

Russia Saturday blasted Warsaw's refusal to allow Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov to attend a meeting next month of the Organization for Security and Co-operation in Europe as "unprecedented and provocative". (msn.com)

UK to provide new air defense package for Ukraine (msn.com)

Ukraine denounces the impact of a Russian nuclear missile with a dummy nuclear warhead (msn.com)

Ukraine rules out ‘short truce’ with Russia (msn.com)

Retreating Russians left "torture chamber," mass graves in Ukrainian city (msn.com)

Top Ukrainian aide says Russia didn’t ask for a ‘short truce,' clarifying Zelenskyy remark (msn.com)

Estonia to provide Ukraine with 27 buses, 13 electric generators (msn.com)

Over 700 dead bodies found in liberated territories of Kharkiv, Donetsk, Kherson oblasts (msn.com)

Putin goes relatively silent on Ukraine war: ‘If he lost somewhere, first, it’s untrue, — and, second, it wasn’t him’ (msn.com)

Five injured in Russian strike on aid station near Kherson: Ukraine presidential adviser (msn.com)

Putin Drafting Occupied Ukrainians Could Fuel 'Mutiny,' Desertions (msn.com)

Ukraine says around 60 Russians killed in long-range shelling attack (msn.com)

Maxim Alyukov: How (Not) to Interpret Russian Political Talk Shows (msn.com)

Polish PM: If we do not support Ukraine, war will come to us. (msn.com)

Russia agrees with Iran to manufacture Iranian drones on Russian soil, according to ‘The Washington Post’. (msn.com)

Ukraine Latest: NATO Says Russian Jets Flew Close to Its Ships (msn.com)

US defense secretary blames Putin's war for Poland explosion (msn.com)

Nine die, one missing in apartment block collapse in Russia's far east (msn.com)

Finland to start building fence on Russian border next year (msn.com)

Putin makes rare appearance. Expert explains what it means | Watch (msn.com)

Russian documentary claims Moscow has organised mass Ukrainian adoptions | Watch (msn.com)

Zelenskyy warns Russia seeks truce to 'regain strength', calls on US, allies to enforce 10-step peace plan (msn.com)

Russian chess legend says war in Ukraine is a 'battle between freedom and tyranny' (msn.com)

Vladimir Putin isn’t just losing in Ukraine — he’s set Russia’s economy back 40 years (msn.com)

Putin's Covert Conscription Will Flood 'Overburdened' Russian Forces: ISW (msn.com)

U.S. says Russia's war in Ukraine offers preview to potential global tyranny (msn.com)
 

cb1111

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Nuclear agency warns of renewed shelling at Ukrainian plant (msn.com)

How Close Are We to Nuclear War? (msn.com)

'Black Swan' in Russia May Help Ukraine Retake Crimea, Minister Predicts (msn.com)

Asia-Pacific leaders condemn Russian invasion of Ukraine at forum (msn.com)

Austin defends U.S. support to Ukraine, ‘looks forward’ to welcoming Sweden and Finland in NATO (msn.com)

All of Russia's neighbours are in danger, Latvian military chief says (msn.com)

Ukraine’s Drone Boats Are Winning The Black Sea Naval War (msn.com)

Austin warns Russian war on Ukraine could lead to a ‘dangerous spiral of nuclear proliferation’ (msn.com)

Finland regrets possible impact of Istanbul attack on NATO accession talks (msn.com)

Germany to offer Poland Patriot system after stray missile crash (msn.com)

Building Ablaze Near Moscow Train Stations (msn.com)

Saturday, November 19. Russia’s War On Ukraine: Daily News And Information From Ukraine (msn.com)

Russia-Ukraine war live: Zaporizhzhia attacks ‘playing with fire’, UN warns; negotiating would be capitulation, Ukraine adviser says (msn.com)

Belarus seeking Iran's help manufacturing artillery shells - Ukraine (msn.com)

Kyiv's mayor: Extraordinary, in extraordinarily tough times (msn.com)

'Dangerous times ahead' as nuclear plant shelled | Watch (msn.com)

What Videos of Russia’s Destroyed Weapons Tell Us About Its Strategy | Watch (msn.com)

Kyiv troops could be in Crimea by CHRISTMAS and Russian invasion over by spring: top Zelensky aide (msn.com)

Belarus accuses Ukraine of military provocation on border. (msn.com)

Ukraine says Russians pounding frontline positions with artillery (msn.com)

Ukraine accuses Russia of stealing even bicycles from the population (msn.com)

On GPS: Should the West give Putin an off-ramp? | Watch (msn.com)

UN nuclear chief denounces strikes on Ukraine power plant (msn.com)

Ukraine war latest: Kremlin accuses Ukraine of executing POWs, Kyiv denies, says it will investigate (msn.com)

Russia fired missile carrying "dummy" nuclear warhead (msn.com)

Russian TV Analyst Says Moscow 'Clearly' Not Ready for Ukraine Offensive (msn.com)

Global security leaders, activists say it’s time to fight, not talk, in Ukraine (msn.com)

UN demands stop to fighting at Ukraine nuclear site (msn.com)

Ireland asks members of Russian Embassy in Dublin to leave (msn.com)

Russian Politician Says Strikes on Ukraine Are Fueled by 'Holy Hatred' (msn.com)
 

Corprin

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Been saying this the whole time.

We are wrecking the Russian war fighting capability and economy without risking American lives, wounds, etc. 2004 Iraq War cost the US taxpayer more than double what we have into Ukraine so far, and that is not counting the back-side costs for VA benefits stemming directly from sending our troops in.

Additionally, the weapon systems we are providing are propping up some of our own industries to supply Ukrainian needs, and replenish our stocks. Let’s not forget that the DoD disposes of a fuck-ton of unused munitions every year due to age, now we are selling it off.

We’ve provided Ukraine 200 M113 APCs, as part of those spending packages, but these are sunk costs. These APCs have been out of service for a decade and stored at Sierra Army Depot because it cost more to scrap than to mothball. This has opened up allocations for new vehicles to replace those past their lifecycle/usefulness for US doctrine. This is boosting orders domestically, creating jobs.

Meanwhile Ukraine is wrecking shop on Russian stores to the point they are dusting knocking the rust off T62s and BMP1s, because they are running dry on anything made after 1970. As pointed out in the article, this is grossly weakening one of our largest adversaries to the point of ruin, maybe beyond.

I am fully supporting past and future spending on this project. It’s a massive win-win program.
 

Superfreak

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Not to mention that we are most likely finding out more about Russian strategies and capabilities than has been possible in recent times. Ukraine is utilizing new tech on a scalable level and I’m fairly certain we’d at least be learning from this as well, if not assisting. Also, we are truly seeing who is allied with who.

I do think that it’s possible for China to take advantage of the situation by making moves to take control over Taiwan, as we aren’t in a good position to help defend the Taiwanese. I hope they don’t take any action.
 

cb1111

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Not to mention that we are most likely finding out more about Russian strategies and capabilities than has been possible in recent times. Ukraine is utilizing new tech on a scalable level and I’m fairly certain we’d at least be learning from this as well, if not assisting. Also, we are truly seeing who is allied with who.

I do think that it’s possible for China to take advantage of the situation by making moves to take control over Taiwan, as we aren’t in a good position to help defend the Taiwanese. I hope they don’t take any action.
The Chinese would be extremely foolish to take action against Taiwan now. They have a choice - stay part of the civilized world or join the axis of evil (Russia, NK, Iran). I suspect that they are waiting to see how it works out with Russia.
 

Corprin

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Not to mention that we are most likely finding out more about Russian strategies and capabilities than has been possible in recent times. Ukraine is utilizing new tech on a scalable level and I’m fairly certain we’d at least be learning from this as well, if not assisting. Also, we are truly seeing who is allied with who.

I do think that it’s possible for China to take advantage of the situation by making moves to take control over Taiwan, as we aren’t in a good position to help defend the Taiwanese. I hope they don’t take any action.


FWIW, the Russians are playing right out of the same exact doctrine I trained on in the 90s.


As for our capabilities… what we are shipping to Ukraine is but a drop in the bucket.
 

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West Must Craft a Russian Strategy - CEPA

Doomed to Failure — Russia’s Efforts to Restore its Military Muscle - CEPA

Russia’s Dying Eurasian Dream - CEPA

Russia Steps Up Artillery Attacks in Ukraine's East (msn.com)

Ukraine war takes toll on Russian economy as sanctions 'cut off Russian financial system from' West | Watch (msn.com)

The Village Of Pavlivka Is A ‘Furnace’ Burning Up Russian Marine Brigades (msn.com)

Britain’s Brimstone missiles primed to make Russian soldiers' lives hell (msn.com)

Top Russian official warns of possible nuclear accident at Zaporizhzhia (msn.com)

Putin 'wants a break' as Russia ammunition supplies into Donbass severely cut off (msn.com)

Russia TV guest loses it at Solovyov as he dismantles threat to wipe out Kharkiv and Kyiv (msn.com)

The wife of a Russian soldier says she gave her TV away because the war in Ukraine was making her 'aggressive' (msn.com)

Ukraine Claims Crimea Secretly Being Mobilized as Kremlin Denies 2nd Draft (msn.com)

Putin's Army 'Struggling With The Military Realities' In Ukraine: UK Intelligence (msn.com)

Ukraine says military operation underway on right bank of Dnieper River. (msn.com)

Putin Ally Calls Negotiation Talks a Ruse By Russia to Buy Time to Attack (msn.com)

Poland accepts Germany’s Patriot offer after fatal missile strike (defensenews.com)

US approves arms sales to Switzerland, Lithuania and Belgium (defensenews.com)

Finland refutes nuclear weapons ‘siting’ and reinforces border (defensenews.com)

‘Tyranny and turmoil’ in Russian invasion, US defense secretary says (militarytimes.com)

Polish Military Chief Says Russia is Escalating on NATO’s Border - Defense One

Ukraine Is Getting Nervous About Elon Musk - Defense One

Could Ukraine Retake Crimea? Not Easily - Defense One

Kahl to Gulf states: Why work with Russia when it is funding Iran? - Breaking Defense

Russia’s invasion of Ukraine could start a race for nukes, Austin says - POLITICO

Ukrainian forces ‘destroying the potential of the occupiers’ in the south, says Zelensky as battles rage in Donbas (msn.com)

Russia is once again hyping a brand new 'Iron Man' combat exoskeleton (taskandpurpose.com)

Russian Conscripts Have 'No Clue What to Do' in Ukraine: Soldier's Wife (msn.com)

The Kremlin contenders who could replace Vladimir Putin (msn.com)

Ukraine claims Russia planning false flag attack on Belarus nuclear plant (msn.com)

Russia Confident Ukraine Lacks Strength to Retake Crimea: Senator (msn.com)

'They kill him slowly': Russian dissident Navalny endures brutal conditions in penal colony (msn.com)

Equipped with rusty guns to fight each other… “Fear Force” deployed by backwater Russian army (msn.com)

Ukraine opens a new front on the Dnipro to threaten Moscow’s rearguard (msn.com)

How Sending Aid to Ukraine is Saving the U.S. Billions of Dollars (msn.com) We discussed this already

From KGB agent to leader of Russia: This is the life of Vladimir Putin (msn.com)

Russians fighting for Ukraine: the men that choose to battle against the motherland (msn.com)

‘Nazi’ Zelensky should be tried for war crimes, says Putin ally (msn.com)

Lithuania calls on NATO to pay more attention to Belarus in Ukraine war (msn.com)

Putin's massive mistake: Lawrence Freedman on Ukraine and the lessons of history (msn.com)

Zaporizhzhia: Europe's Biggest Nuclear Plant Attacked | Watch (msn.com)

Russia’s Vindictive Rage (msn.com)
 
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