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The COVID19 SCAMdemic... California Nears $8 Gallon Gas - Biden Sends Zelenskyyy $61 Billion

anotero

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You're making up arguments I've never even come close to suggesting let alone stating. China has a lot of blame, yes. They steal US intellectual property, they use their military to hack into private corporation, and they then give it to their own national companies free of charge so that they can better compete with Western companies and dominate their field. China deserve a lot of blame, but so do past US administrations, both Democrat and Republican (more so Republican, but still both). We have been way too quick to allow just about everything to be off-shored without any national strategic planning. As an example, we should have our own N95 mask production capacity to be prepared for the next pandemic, but Republicans and Libertarians argue that the govt should stay out of private business. Such thinking leads to American companies off-shoring production to places like China where they can produce much more cheaply, but they can also refuse to allow mask exports outside the country during the next international pandemic. How about computer chips and the move to have them all produced overseas in places like Taiwan? What happens if China invades Taiwan and nationalized the computer chip manufacturers and then uses their control on chips as a weapon against other foreign countries? Then what? Republicans and Libertarians don't believe in planning for such events and investing in domestic manufacturing by supporting domestic manufacturing. They're stuck in the 18th and 19th centuries.
Basic industrial espionage, kid.

So whose fucking fault is it that our government doesn't give two shits about planning and improving domestic infrastructure? Would their actions be any different if China never existed? That's a rhetorical question.
 

anotero

Autocross Champion
My dad and I aren’t red voters, he’s never cast a red vote ever; actually he’s a socialist and we both got kicked off Twitter for posting things considered to be right wing talking points.

Social media is overwhelmingly leftist and those viewpoints are tolerated even to calling and praising violence against conservatives or who/what is deemed as such.
This is so ironic. Socialists are the real left, not the modern pseudo-left snowflake globalist crap. It's ironic that modern fake leftists banned an actual left guy because they got triggered by what they perceived to be right-wing agenda. I feel for your dad.
 

uberdot

Autocross Champion
This is so ironic. Socialists are the real left, not the modern pseudo-left snowflake globalist crap. It's ironic that modern fake leftists banned an actual left guy because they got triggered by what they perceived to be right-wing agenda. I feel for your dad.
If you believe in Free Shit(tm) but tepidly disagree with 154,000 genders, elementary school blowjob education and math being racist you’re Richard Spencer according to twinstabook.

Kimberle Krenshaw and Herbert Marcuse hijacked socialism and put their bizarre clownworld spin into it. Yesterday’s ideas that couldn’t pass the stink test have become gospel to corporate interests; they know it’s valuable at dismantling things enough to make us dependent and indebted.
 

anotero

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If you believe in Free Shit(tm) but tepidly disagree with 154,000 genders, elementary school blowjob education and math being racist you’re Richard Spencer according to twinstabook.

Kimberle Krenshaw and Herbert Marcuse hijacked socialism and put their bizarre clownworld spin into it. Yesterday’s ideas that couldn’t pass the stink test have become gospel to corporate interests; they know it’s valuable at dismantling things enough to make us dependent and indebted.
Lol, i laugh every time the fake left calls me a right-winger and considers themselves progressives, yet they can't state the basic tenets of actual left thought. Forget about them knowing what ownership of the means of production and worker alienation from the products of their labor even means. All they can talk about is opressive white men and catering to those that think they are girls even though they have balls 'tween their legs.
 

VoodooDoll

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This is your most sensible post. All admins, past and present, all the big corporations, sent everything to China to make more money. Quality be damned. Local jobs be damned. They shot themselves in the foot for golden parachutes, then wonder why the middle class hates them.
Supposedly, we are going to make chips here, we should. Japan too. All the superficial race diversity efforts should be channeled into manufacturing diversity. I go out of my way to find parts made in reputable countries. You remember the PPE China sent over? Medical gowns that evaporated when you tried to put them on. Ridiculous.
Yes, China is an adversary. China uses centralized planning to not only make their people happy (so they don't overthrow the communist govt), but to also fund their massive military. China does not play fair, either. It's like playing basketball with no referees while one side tries to follow the rules, and the other team does whatever they want - traveling, out of bounds, charging, interference, etc. China does not play by the rules, and we've let them get away with it far too long. Trump, as crazy as he was, was actually correct on China. Notice that Biden never removed the tariffs on Chinese goods.

I mean, think about it. If you have an invention, today (like something on Shark Tank). Where do you get it produced in America? There are very few contract manufacturers, but there's a reason why that's the case. It's mostly not profitable enough when they have to compete with China. As such, US inventors end up taking their IP and just handing it over to Chinese vendors. The vendors get paid to produce the item, but they can also watch to see how successful it is. If your invention takes off, then they just copy it, as they already have all the production capacity and IP knowledge, and good luck suing a Chinese company as an American for IP theft. You'll likely get nowhere, and have extremely expensive litigation costs. This is reality now. IP theft alone, just China, alone, costs the American economy an estimated $600 Billion a year. That's a lot of American jobs, and American wealth, and IRS taxes that we are losing every year due to Chinese theft. And that doesn't even include jobs that were offshored that didn't need to be offshored (such as the loss of much of our textile business as well).
 
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VoodooDoll

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Basic industrial espionage, kid.

So whose fucking fault is it that our government doesn't give two shits about planning and improving domestic infrastructure? Would their actions be any different if China never existed? That's a rhetorical question.

Wait, aren't you the same Libertarian that doesn't believe in using US tax dollars to develop US infrastructure? I mean, infrastructure doesn't come from the infrastructure fairies, you have to pay for it with tax money and a strong economy. Democrats (like Biden) believe in infrastructure. Maybe you heard of a little program that Republicans opposed that focused on American infrastructure to make America more competitive with countries like China? Maybe you heard of it? It's a little program called Build Back Better.
 

anotero

Autocross Champion
Wait, aren't you the same Libertarian that doesn't believe in using US tax dollars to develop US infrastructure? I mean, infrastructure doesn't come from the infrastructure fairies, you have to pay for it with tax money and a strong economy. Democrats (like Biden) believe in infrastructure. Maybe you heard of a little program that Republicans opposed that focused on American infrastructure to make America more competitive with countries like China? Maybe you heard of it? It's a little program called Build Back Better.
I'm a libertarian? That's new.
Still celebrating 420, aren't you?
 

zrickety

The Fixer
I mean, think about it. If you have an invention, today (like something on Shark Tank). Where do you get it produced in America?
There are places, but you pay for it. 3D printing is a game changer too. Got some clips to fix a notorious visor issue on my Jeep, they're US made, but of course China has a ripoff version. Manufacturing was starting to come back under Orange Man, but then Brandon hit the undo button.
 

Unreal1

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My dad and I aren’t red voters, he’s never cast a red vote ever; actually he’s a socialist and we both got kicked off Twitter for posting things considered to be right wing talking points.

Social media is overwhelmingly leftist and those viewpoints are tolerated even to calling and praising violence against conservatives or who/what is deemed as such.

It's impossible to make any sort of judgment on that without knowing what was said.

The right-wing are the ones that benefit the most from social media, they have the highest follow and engagement rates out of anyone. If the platforms were biased against them that wouldn't be the case.

The difference is the right-wing makes it headline news every time someone on the right gets banned, but you never hear about it when it happens to someone on the left, which warps our perception.
 

Unreal1

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I would say that is more the fake news rhetoric that we are led to believe, than how real people think.

Then why else did republicans go against their values of fiscal conservativism, gun rights, and free-market economics during Trump's presidency?
 
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zrickety

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The right-wing are the ones that benefit the most from social media, they have the highest follow and engagement rates out of anyone. If the platforms were biased against them that wouldn't be the case.

The difference is the right-wing makes it headline news every time someone on the right gets banned, but you never hear about it when it happens to someone on the left, which warps our perception.
I strongly disagree. While the 'right' may have high follow and engagement, it's because they are pushing for sanity while the 'left' is embracing insanity. The left are allowed to get away with murder on social media, they never get banned which why you don't hear about it. The right make a big deal because it's a double-standard, and a violation of the 1st Amendment.
 

zrickety

The Fixer
Then why else did republicans go against their values of fiscal conservativism, gun rights, and free-market economics during Trump's presidency?
Politicians or real people? I don't know anyone that went against those values under Trump. The free market is an illusion, 99% of our stuff comes from China. The illusion of choice.
 

uberdot

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It's impossible to make any sort of judgment on that without knowing what was said.

The right-wing are the ones that benefit the most from social media, they have the highest follow and engagement rates out of anyone. If the platforms were biased against them that wouldn't be the case.

The difference is the right-wing makes it headline news every time someone on the right gets banned, but you never hear about it when it happens to someone on the left, which warps our perception.
Because it rarely ever does. You’d have to be living under a rock for the past 5 years to not see how the corporate mainstream hasn’t chosen the progressive left as their ideological platform, with all speech immunities afforded along with it. I used to revel in it before I woke up and realized there was no coincidences that banks, corporate media and billionaires shared my beliefs.
 

npace

Autocross Champion
I really didn't give Trump as much credit as most Republicans or as much blame as most Democrats for the economy, overall. The same goes for Biden. The stock market is still, historically, doing quite well. I really do not blame him for high inflation. Inflation has some domestic components, but it is a global issue. Let me give you an example. Conservatives and Libertarians believe in no economic intervention. If that happened in 2008 when the Fed used the TARP program to save the economy, that was the right move. Many Cons and Libertarians were against TARP, but that is the type of thinking that leads to Depressions, not Recessions. Also, take for example the chip shortage that was partly due to American off-shoring permissiveness. What we've called the "global economy." That is not BIDEN's fault. It's the fault of so many past administrations and congresses thinking we could keep this JIT global supply chain humming along with no problems and never preparing for the likelihood that such a tight supply chain could have massive ramifications. What if China invades Taiwan and then nationalized their chip production factories, for ex? Then what?

There are a lot of factors that lead us to this point, and Biden could have done a better job in some areas, yes, but it's crazy to think that Trump or some other Republican would have made things better by cutting taxes (which is typically the Republican solution for everything).
You think that making the taxpayer buy toxic assets and eat the mistakes of the rich was the right move? And then when they did, flooding the economy with dollars to prevent deflation? (AKA quantitative easing). Sorry, but there’s a lot of problems there. Many economists disagreed with the Bernake approach and believe it prolonged the recession.
 

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