bennylenny88
bora bora dude
- Location
- Wigan, UK
- Car(s)
- Golf mk5 GTTDI 2.0
hmm.. what does heel toe do? as in what is it used for..
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Left-Foot Breaking
- Thread starter Nevada Smith
- Start date
GTi Fanatic
Touring Car Champion
white rabbit said:
(useful in rally driving) it can be used (especially in awd cars) to transfer the weight to the front of the car and to start spinning the rear wheels (a little) and create oversteer :w00t:
bennylenny88 said:
Heel and toe is when you are braking and want to downshift at the same time in a manual. Your left foot is working the clutch for the downshift. Your right foot is brakeing, but you need to blip the throttle to match revs for the downshift. So , your right foot has the toes on the brake and the heel blipping the gas.
GTi Fanatic
Touring Car Champion
Harbinger said:
true, i was reffering to left foot braking above, but they are pretty similar anyway.
there is a post on here somewhere (search) about how to do heel toe,
some use the toes and heels but it appears (on the pole) most use the rolling of the foot from brake to gas
MHS216
Anchors Aweigh
- Location
- All over the place...
- Car(s)
- UG GTI 2006
davesee said:
I know exactly what you mean haha. I could heel-toe and left foot brake all day in my A4. The other day I was gonna give it a try on a nice wide, gradual downhill clover-leaf exit ramp. Well, the car stopped so fast that my forehead almost hit the steering wheel and I almost got rear ended by a car that wasn't even close to me to start out with (I know, not safe, and probably stupid too). Pretty much I think I leave all my practicing to not so public raodways.
It just doesn't seem like the pedals are in the right place to heel-toe either. Maybe my foot is retarded or something. It just seems like you have to torque your knee in a weird way to be able to hit both of them correctly. Maybe this comes with practice/getting used to the setup. By the time I apply the brake I really have the reach and twist with my heel.
I'm not gonna say any of it is impossible because I know there are people out there that can do it. Its most likely a matter of familiarization
Nevada Smith
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- SoCal
Fifth Gear
Ok so the GTI is a FF that can't use FF (Front Engine-Front Wheel Drive) driving techniques. Great.
In the fifth gear car of the year award clip does tiff throw the GTI into oversteer around those corners by just shifting the weight of the car?
(ex. by just throwing the steering wheel quickly to the right before making a left turn?)
from the looks of that video they are using some other technique to induce oversteer because obviously VW prevents the masses to use left foot breaking because people don't even know how to drive cars.
(Can you imagine how good all those drivers were when there were only FR cars?)
So what the name of that technique, if its the one to induce oversteer?
Ok so the GTI is a FF that can't use FF (Front Engine-Front Wheel Drive) driving techniques. Great.
In the fifth gear car of the year award clip does tiff throw the GTI into oversteer around those corners by just shifting the weight of the car?
(ex. by just throwing the steering wheel quickly to the right before making a left turn?)
from the looks of that video they are using some other technique to induce oversteer because obviously VW prevents the masses to use left foot breaking because people don't even know how to drive cars.
(Can you imagine how good all those drivers were when there were only FR cars?)
So what the name of that technique, if its the one to induce oversteer?
GTi Fanatic
Touring Car Champion
Nevada Smith said:
"lift off oversteer"
Cjeckert
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Vienna, Syracuse
Actually the breaks will change thier "feel" once they bed in which usually take a week or so w/t normal driving. What actually happens is the roter is harder then the pad material which is reletivly soft (think tire leaving rubber on asfault at drag strip), pad material is transfered to the roter and actually coats it the roter and goes back and force between the pad and roter during breaking, it takes awhile for this cycle to establish and depending on the pad material can cause the breaks to be a little touchy at first.
bigdyno
FIA World Rally Car Newbie
- Location
- Toronto, Ontario
These two techniques are intended for two different things, as has been mentioned heel-toe is to facillitate down shifting and left foot braking is to adjust chassis attitude. That being said, I find it very difficult to heel-toe in this car as the pedals are too close both left to right and forward/ back.
I have been trying to modify my heel-toe feel as now it is more toe-toe action. I put my foot on the right side of the brake and pivot off the edge of the pedal to blip the gas. It is tricky, as I have been accustomed to doing it differently for almost 25 years......It is tricky, but I insist on practicing at every opportunity until I perfect it. Be careful, the brakes do work quite well as I am sure we are all aware.
Don't forget we have a readily accessible hand brake if you are trying to invoke some oversteer.....
I have been trying to modify my heel-toe feel as now it is more toe-toe action. I put my foot on the right side of the brake and pivot off the edge of the pedal to blip the gas. It is tricky, as I have been accustomed to doing it differently for almost 25 years......It is tricky, but I insist on practicing at every opportunity until I perfect it. Be careful, the brakes do work quite well as I am sure we are all aware.
Don't forget we have a readily accessible hand brake if you are trying to invoke some oversteer.....
dvsdimsum
Go Kart Champion
- Location
- Los Angeles, CA
Edmunds Quote
"The GTI refuses to tolerate any driving style that uses left-foot braking. Overlap the throttle and brake even slightly and the GTI cuts power for a few seconds. This is no doubt a product of VW's attorneys who surely have "don't sue us" tattooed on their foreheads. It's infuriating to be forced to change your driving style to accommodate the least-common-denominator driver who occasionally steps on the wrong pedal. The power cut left us shaking our heads as the Civic's taillights disappeared into the hills."
This was taken from their SI v GTI comparo.
"The GTI refuses to tolerate any driving style that uses left-foot braking. Overlap the throttle and brake even slightly and the GTI cuts power for a few seconds. This is no doubt a product of VW's attorneys who surely have "don't sue us" tattooed on their foreheads. It's infuriating to be forced to change your driving style to accommodate the least-common-denominator driver who occasionally steps on the wrong pedal. The power cut left us shaking our heads as the Civic's taillights disappeared into the hills."
This was taken from their SI v GTI comparo.
Shifty
Pull it shave it paint it
- Location
- Oklahoma City, OK
- Car(s)
- 2002 TDI New Beetle
Edmonds... a good source... 
But seriously, I have been heel-toeing my GTI since the day I got it (and loving it since I couldn't do it in my MkIV), and I have never noticed the engine power being overridden by the computer. Are you guys talking DSG??? :iono:
But seriously, I have been heel-toeing my GTI since the day I got it (and loving it since I couldn't do it in my MkIV), and I have never noticed the engine power being overridden by the computer. Are you guys talking DSG??? :iono:
Teknophreak
Rally Car Champion
- Location
- Cleveland, Ohio
Heel-toe works, it's when the car is in gear that the power will cut out. I can get away with about 1 second of left foot braking.
Teknophreak said:
Yes, what he said.
Left foot BRAKING(please note correct spelling) is possible, but only to a very limited extent before the thottle cut-out is activated(if the throttle is even applied at all).
Heel-toeing shifts are also possible but only for a very short period of time before the throttle cut-out kicks in,........If you do a perfect throttle blip rev match/shift then it can be done.
The alternative is a sequential: early braking - clutch in, revmatch downshift - late braking, entry - apex - exit
As for pedal spacing, the mk5 is far better for heel-toeing than the mk4 was, especially with driving appropriate shoes.