Poor non-believers... no virgins for you!
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So just gonna play devil's advocate here..
Has anyone read Flatland? 2 dimensional being who is observed by a 3 dimensional being but cannot see him because he cannot perceive this third dimension. What if that is happening to us? We know there are more dimensions than just the three of space and one of time so who is to say that another being cough cough God who might exist in another dimension that we cannot perceive doesn't exist. Gasp :O
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sure, possibilities are endless, that doesn't mean you take anyone's word for anything based on a whim and proven by nothing - at least intelligence / common sense to many would speak to that.
Who is to say many things? sure - many could be possible, but I live my life based on observation and evidence, not stories, hypocrisy, and discrimination.
My favorite is how they need to follow it so literally that homos are wrong and should be killed ect... But it's perfectly ok for them to be a big fat fucking slob. The literal interpretation is only literal when it's not in regards to them.
haha, very good point. Again, going back to the whole "picking and choosing" thing.
oh dang!
Speak for yourself.
Nudge nudge wink wink
bombs away? :iono:
Possibility doesn't mean we should believe in something or even say it's probable.
There are an infinite number of possibilities regarding the creation of the universe or if it even really exists and is just an illusion. A belief should require some form of evidence and reason or else it's no better than thinking the Denver Airport is a base for the Illuminati, FEMA has death camps, unicorns are real, or that there's an invisible teapot orbiting mars.
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Is and does change as new evidence is discovered... Not true about religion and conspiracy. Religion was an attempt to explain the natural world that has since been discredited by discoveries like "the world is round" and "stars are actually other suns" and the only way it has been reconciled and stuck around is because people try to rationalize it by saying things like "well, when god said he created the world in 7 days he was taking into account relativity, even though he knew humans would read it and be confused until the mid 20th century when they would argue about it." There's absolutely no difference between that reasoning and conspiracy theory reasoning..
Another note, String Theory is one of many competing theories and we are far less certain about it than say evolution or gravity.
I agree on all, but not sure ive heard string theory.
Has anyone seen Book of Eli? makes perfect sense, lol. seriously, doe.
I mean, Carlin and Hicks were some of the first comedians to talk on that shit, but I know David Cross had some funny stuff too:
"you mean to tell me, that the bible was written by humans, some 2,000 years ago? when people were actually stupider than they are now? I dunno, man...."
Indistinguishable between troll, christian or batshit crazy
correct. And that in of itself really says something about one of those things...
Just so you know I am personally not a religious person at all but I am not close minded either. Science isnt out there to prove religion wrong its out there to explain things with more depth. People cant run around saying you are wrong I am right blah blah. You have to take the time to investigate the other side too. Read the freaking bible, study physics particularly particle physics which can provide more insight on this subject, read about evolutionary biology become well versed in these subjects and more and then create your own idea or belief. Otherwise without any of this knowledge you are as bad as the creationist who says we rode a dinosaur.
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you seem to be pretty religious from your comments? telling us to read the bible? the times I've picked it up and read it, I constantly say, "how does anyone believe any of this shit? - who lived for 900 years?" and so on. Penn from Penn & Teller said it best... "fully read the bible - then you'll really know you're an atheist".
and no, its not as bad as a creationist. An atheist or anti-theist isn't making convenient lies to promote propaganda and a lifestyle, etc. We live by what know and fully acknowledge what we don't.
No, because one is an argument from authority and the other is an argument from empirical evidence.
And thanks, I read the bible. A bit too incesty and murdery for my taste.
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Also you cant say religion was created to explain things because that is impossible and if you can prove me wrong then so be it but here is why. Humans are creatures that create by observing other things. We cant just randomly invent a god or animal or anything without first looking around us and taking from that. Meaning that there can be some truth to some of these stories. Idk if im explaining myself correctly because im typing from my phone so just writing a paragraph takes me forever lol
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truth to which story?
Noah's Ark
Moses parting the Red Sea
Jesus walking on water
A burning bush
Talking snakes
virgin birth
what's true? im sure im leaving some out..
The moment my daughter was born - who looks exactly like me - I said to myself, "aha.. here is where they get the "made onto his own image" part, because it blew my mind and totally melted my heart, but that doesn't mean some skybeing exists either.
Religion has been used to control, kill, and motivate. not saying it doesn't do good things, but it sure as hell has done a lot of bad things - all in the name of god.
No ill try to explain that one a bit better when I get to my desktop but even so that is just ONE possibility. The other possibility is that helios is real. The other possibility is that it was an alien. The other possibility is that it was a time traveler. The other possibility is that etc etc. You werent there so you dont know what they saw. You just have an account of it that they wrote. We will never know.
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so many possibilities, lets believe in anything?
yes, stuff that was wrote and translated over and over again from dead languages, with some being lost in translation or possibly not meaning what it says in english, as even explained/ admitted by theologians - that you now read in English. yes.
Yeah totally skipped the part where the dude offers his daughters up for sex in order to be a good host. Better go read that again.
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that was a good'n!!
"and Pa, when do we stone some bitches in the courtyard again?!?!"
Wow ok man but I bet you still watch some pretty jacked up movies or tv shows huh? Unless you or I can come up with the answer to all these questions which man has been Asking himself for thousands of years then yup we are never going to finish this conversation. So this is where I end my part and I will humbly say or paraphrase "All I know is that I know nothing". Thank you and goodnight.
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I don't need falsehoods to satisfy questions, I look to facts and science to answer the questions they can, and I can fully admit to the ones that I or no one else can answer - at least for now.
And no, the quote (Socrates or Plato, can't recall - I think the former?) doesn't really apply, because you are basically stating that because you don't know, you believe in possibilities of things that cannot proven - you are not saying you truly don't know
Am I open to the idea of a creator? sure - if there is proof of one.
aliens? of course. again.. need proof.
Interchangeable, no?
The beauty of science, when practiced as intended, is that it spends considerable effort to disprove itself, by which I mean, if a research paper describing a new theory and the manner it was discovered is written and submitted to a peer reviewed publication, other scientists will conduct experiments to try to either replicate, or disprove, said theory. Science is wonderful because it recognizes that it can be wrong and will try again and again to correct itself. It starts with a premise or observation and attempts to draw a conclusion or explanation. Religion starts with a conclusion then goes out and tries to prove it. It runs counter to critical thinking.
indeed.
The earth used to be flat and the sun rotated around the earth, right??
amen.
