Planning a road trip from LA to Jackson Hole, Wyoming....how does the GTI fare in Winter?

[jimlloyd40]

You can’t ignore awd systems that can vector (or fake vector) power front to back and or horizontally

What does that have to do with braking?

 

[Keehs360]

What does that have to do with braking?

If load shifts, braking is effortless.

go check out how the evo 9 induces twist/yaw on YouTube. If you’re like me, visualizing it makes more sense.

 

[cb1111]

What does that have to do with braking?

It doesn't

 

[jimlloyd40]

If load shifts, braking is effortless.

go check out how the evo 9 induces twist/yaw on YouTube. If you’re like me, visualizing it makes more sense.

We were talking about braking in slippery conditions.

 

[jimlloyd40]

It doesn't

That's what I figured also.

 

[Keehs360]

We were talking about braking in slippery conditions.

Look at what I told you to look up. You’ll see exactly how the evo vectors the load for the sake of brake clamping being effective. On snow and ice, some awd systems can do the same. Thusly allowing you to cut speed and stop sooner.

 

[Corprin]

Subaru with snows > GTI with snows.

And I hate Subaru products.

had Michelin X-Ice on the GTI last season, rotated them onto the Alltrack this one. GTI has Pilot Alpin 4’s and I love them. Good in cold ice and snow.

 

[Keehs360]

Subaru with snows > GTI with snows.

And I hate Subaru products.

had Michelin X-Ice on the GTI last season, rotated them onto the Alltrack this one. GTI has Pilot Alpin 4’s and I love them. Good in cold ice and snow.

In the winter, my brother puts his golf r away and takes my wrx

 

[jimlloyd40]

In the winter, my brother puts his golf r away and takes my wrx

Smart brother. He doesn't want to drive his car in that crap.

 

[Keehs360]

Smart brother. He doesn't want to drive his car in that crap.

We have noticed things about the R in the winter. I can’t say it here. I get attacked

he has rally x’s the R btw. He’s not afraid of getting it dirty.

 

[gti330ex]

Not really. Yes, weight, clearance and a zillion other things affect braking, but if you are comparing two identical cars, then the only difference can be the tires.

Yep, really. You said to turn and stop. To turn w accuracy and ease (safe overall control in the snow), vehicle mass and clearance play a big part in the equation - not just the tires.

 

[DiscusInferno]

First, not too many people around LA uses winter tires, even the skiiers and snowboarders. They rather put chains (or cables) on their cars and trucks first, including the subarus.

This video was taken at Big Bear Lake right before the New Year... it's satisfying seeing the first car that lost control was a subaru crosstrek on its crappy OE all-seasons.

And California is rather aggressive calling for chain controls.

Chains + GTI? Unless you get 205 width tires, VW probably don't recommend chains or cables with 225 width tires due to suspension clearance. You can get away with autosocks, or a chain that does not wrap around the rear of the tire, like a Spike Spiders or Konig K-summit (much pricier options). You can probably use a low profile cable, like a SCC Super Z-6 also, but that can be taking a risk against VW's recommendations.

Also, getting washer fluid good to below freezing around LA is very difficult. You can't even special order it from O'Reilly's anymore. 32 degree washer fluid is the norm around LA. You have to visit a store in an area that sees wintry conditions to get winter washer fluid. I had to restock winter deicer fluid when I went to Lake Tahoe before Christmas, at a Wal-Mart in Carson City, NV.

 

[Keehs360]

First, not too many people around LA uses winter tires, even the skiiers and snowboarders. They rather put chains (or cables) on their cars and trucks first, including the subarus.

This video was taken at Big Bear Lake right before the New Year... it's satisfying seeing the first car that lost control was a subaru crosstrek on its crappy OE all-seasons.

And California is rather aggressive calling for chain controls.

Chains + GTI? Unless you get 205 width tires, VW probably don't recommend chains or cables with 225 width tires due to suspension clearance. You can get away with autosocks, or a chain that does not wrap around the rear of the tire, like a Spike Spiders or Konig K-summit (much pricier options). You can probably use a low profile cable, like a SCC Super Z-6 also, but that can be taking a risk against VW's recommendations.

Also, getting washer fluid good to below freezing around LA is very difficult. You can't even special order it from O'Reilly's anymore. 32 degree washer fluid is the norm around LA. You have to visit a store in an area that sees wintry conditions to get winter washer fluid. I had to restock winter deicer fluid when I went to Lake Tahoe before Christmas, at a Wal-Mart in Carson City, NV.

That’s crazy! But yeah, awd with all seasons can’t get away with driving on icy and heavily covered roads either. Light snow on all seasons, sure. But for the best effect you’ll definitely want snow tires.

My brother has a 4x4 trd off-road Tacoma with the super charger and all. It’s tires aren’t winters but they were triple peak stamped. Even in 4x4 it would slip. It was way worse in rwd mode. He got proper studded tires and now that thing eats snow.

 

[cb1111]

Yep, really. You said to turn and stop. To turn w accuracy and ease (safe overall control in the snow), vehicle mass and clearance play a big part in the equation - not just the tires.

One of us is having comprehension problems. If you have two identical cars (with the identical clearance and mass) then the only variable is the tires.

If you're driving something like a Grand Cherokee with the variable height suspension, then changing the height might affect cornering and braking - but that wasn't the scenario.

 

[cb1111]

First, not too many people around LA uses winter tires, even the skiiers and snowboarders. They rather put chains (or cables) on their cars and trucks first, including the subarus.

This video was taken at Big Bear Lake right before the New Year... it's satisfying seeing the first car that lost control was a subaru crosstrek on its crappy OE all-seasons.

And California is rather aggressive calling for chain controls.

Chains + GTI? Unless you get 205 width tires, VW probably don't recommend chains or cables with 225 width tires due to suspension clearance. You can get away with autosocks, or a chain that does not wrap around the rear of the tire, like a Spike Spiders or Konig K-summit (much pricier options). You can probably use a low profile cable, like a SCC Super Z-6 also, but that can be taking a risk against VW's recommendations.

Also, getting washer fluid good to below freezing around LA is very difficult. You can't even special order it from O'Reilly's anymore. 32 degree washer fluid is the norm around LA. You have to visit a store in an area that sees wintry conditions to get winter washer fluid. I had to restock winter deicer fluid when I went to Lake Tahoe before Christmas, at a Wal-Mart in Carson City, NV.

That video should be mandatory viewing for anyone who says "I've got AWD, I don' need no stinkin' snow tires"