Hilary or Trump (and why?)

[jay745]

I kinda want to see where it goes next week. :laugh:

Same. I've had to stop looking at this thread for the most part though. Such logic being used.

 

[SirClimax]

I am really not looking forward to next week. Although I'm glad most of the arguing will be over, the bragging from either side for winning is going to be horrible

 

[dead_catz]

No one really wins so those bragging are just idiots

 

[jay745]

^ Agreed. They are both equally as bad in my honest opinion. America loses either way. I'm still doing a write in vote to show that I do not support either.

 

[SirClimax]

No one really wins so those bragging are just idiots

The problem is that most people are idiots. Which is how we ended up in this position in the first place.

^ Agreed. They are both equally as bad in my honest opinion. America loses either way. I'm still doing a write in vote to show that I do not support either.

They are proof that garbage is capable of sentience. I'll be voting for Johnson and I hope he get's to 5% so that the libertarian party can begin consuming the logical part of both parties.

 

[lostk]

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500352353/kkk-paper-endorses-trump-campaign-calls-outlet-repulsive

trump whipped up racist dumbfuks into a frenzy but u have ppl here who think its all a clinton conspiracy to make his campaign look bad...

 

[thewalkingdad]

http://www.npr.org/2016/11/02/500352353/kkk-paper-endorses-trump-campaign-calls-outlet-repulsive

trump whipped up racist dumbfuks into a frenzy but u have ppl here who think its all a clinton conspiracy to make his campaign look bad...

More than anything, I just wish you could at least be somewhat civil. So many insults, so much swearing, so many wild accusations. But I fear that is just too much to ask from you.

 

[jay745]

More than anything, I just wish you could at least be somewhat civil. So many insults, so much swearing, so many wild accusations. But I fear that is just too much to ask from you.

this x100.


I'm at the point where I'm ready to call up a vote to ban this guy.

 

[Spoonylove]

Be careful, lostk will only call out hate speech and call you a homophobe...


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[SirClimax]

Be careful, lostk will only call out hate speech and call you a homophobe...


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and don't forget what it means to disagree with him you "anti-semites, homophobes, genocide deniers, white supreamcists, anti-gov, hate minorities, anti-hispanic, want to annex mexico" :lol:

 

[zrickety]

They both suck, the enemy of my enemy is who I'm voting for

Exactly.

 

[DUBPL8]

You would probably get beat up rather quickly. Chris Kyle is a saint in Texas.

Back in the 1970s, many people considered William Calley a saint in spite of his role in the despicable My Lai massacre in 1968. A brave servicemember by the name of Hugh Thompson Jr. was seen as enemy #1 for doing the right thing, which was to protect Vietnamese civilians from being massacred by fellow US troops, which did happen and there's no use denying it. The amount of abuse and hate Thompson Jr suffered was nothing short of deplorable (no pun intended). Someone who uphold US military values and ethics in war should have been rewarded from the beginning and held as a saint, not as a pariah. For fuck's sake, even a fake progressive piece of shit like Jimmy Carter held a a celebration titled "Rally for Calley" when he was Governor of GA in the 1970s (something I will forever hold against Carter for venerating a war criminal with the blood of civilians on his hands).

The point? Many Americans would rather rally behind someone who exhibits machoism than someone that did the right thing even in uniform. If you ask me, Hugh Thompson Jr is someone I hold far more dear to when it comes to exemplifying American values and military ethics than someone like William Calley or Chris Kyle.

No one is saying that twitter broke the law. They are perfectly within their rights to do so. But by giving into the pressure of the SJW activists that reported the comment, Twitter has sent the message loud and clear that they are invested in protecting feelings instead of free speech. Where this becomes an issue is because the internet is the quickest and easiest places of all to exchange ideals hence why freedom of speech should play and have a big role in this sector too. On the other hand, public universities are funded with taxpayer dollars. Surely you agree that in this sector freedom of speech needs to be defended yes? Because the left is attacking it on college campuses. In fact, a study by a think tank called YouGov found that the majority of democrats are in favor of banning hate speech on campuses while a minority (37%) of republicans are in favor. I would like you to comment on that point and the TPP from above if you could.

You don't seem to get it: HE WAS HARASSING LESLIE JONES AND HIS DUMBFUCK FOLLOWERS WERE BOMBARDING HER WITH RACIST IMAGERY. AND HE ENCOURAGED IT. This wasn't his first or second offense, and the fact that he targeted someone as high profile as her was the straw that broke the camel's back. And no, free speech doesn't mean you have the right to incite attacks and unleash a torrent of abuse and harassment that goes beyond social media and towards physical harm. Milo was one of the proponents of the #Gamergate movement and maybe you might want to read up on the horrible tactics they have used on female game developers due to their machismo being under assault.

Also, how old are you? Did you attend university in the wake of the 2003 invasion of Iraq? You know how many right wing pro-war nutjobs tried so hard to shut down ANY legitimate criticism of the war effort? Go look up ProtestWarrior. And you want to lecture me about free speech? :laugh:

Also deleting someone's comments and banning them is the definition of censorship. Whether you like it or not, you will have to deal with the fact that you just stated you are onboard with twitters decision to censor someone with ideals unlike your own.

No, it isn't. When someone resorts to constant abuse and going as far as doxxing them, that goes way beyond free speech and goes towards abuse and harassment. When you choose to join a social media platform, you agree to adhere to the policies when it comes to having an account with them. It's not a right, but a privilege. If you're so concerned about censorship when it comes to abuse and harassment, start your own social media network.

Might want to refrain on the name-calling next time and let's just have a decent discussion. We forget that we are here for the love of cars, try to keep it civil.

I didn't call you names, but I have no problem calling Milo for what he is: a vile excuse of a human being.

My whole thing is, why do right wingers hate gay people, and why do gay people think they're oppressed? This is the United States of America... no one here is oppressed the way they claim to be. I've spend my late teens and early twenties in a few places in the Middle East. That's REAL oppression. Someone not acknowledging you as a woman, when you're obviously a man, is not oppressing you.


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Maybe because there are attempts right here in this country to not only roll back the hard-earned efforts by the LGBT groups to fight for their civil liberties? Or perhaps in some states, employers can still fire you for being gay and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it? Or the fact that transgender people are still subject to ridicule, abuse, and even murder?

What's telling is that after the horrible events at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, you saw a lot of Christian nutbags cheering the murder and calling it a job well done. There were even a couple of US Marines (both of them white) who posted a video and promised another Orlando in San Diego before they were arrested for threats.

Now I want to know what Middle Eastern countries have you been to? I've heard white Americans describe Singapore as "oppressive" because they can't chew gum or do drugs over there, so I want to know what countries you spent time in the region to describe such a thing.

haters wanna hate lovers wanna love I don't even want none of the above, I want to piss on you yes I do, I wanna pee on you.drip drip drip.

I'm in aggieland, a conservative town in Texas full of "right wingers" and I don't know any of them to hate gayz

Aggie, eh? Oh man you're making it too easy for me. Where do I start?

How about this blatantly homophobic sign not too long ago by A&M fans?

Or the fact that Texas A&M was listed at number 19 out of 20 for being the most unfriendly LGBT university according to the Princeton Review?

And last but not least, a measure to let students opt out of funding LGBT center via religious exemptions was passed with flying colors, and the reasoning:

Student Aaron Ackerman defended the bill, saying forcing students to pay for a gay center was tantamount to forcing doctors to perform abortions: “I just want to show how dangerous a philosophy is that some organization, government or otherwise, can make a person do what is against their most deeply held beliefs.”

Still want to deny the presence of a bigoted vocal minority that is traditionally hostile to gay people?

I'm in Central Texas, know quite a few people of all types, I don't know anyone that openly hates gays. Back to the safe spaces and being right wingers. I thought that all started at liberal schools like the one Lina Dunham (EXTREME rightwinger, right?) came from where they are protesting because the food is racially insensitive...

Posts like these show further proof that Texas needs to turn blue and reinvest in its educational system.

People that vote for the lesser of two evils are part of the problem. You have more than 2 choices. Do a write in vote if you don't agree with either of them.

Disagree in this instance bro. This is an election that has far higher stakes than the previous elections. Trump's win will create a dangerous trend that will allow far-right populist leaders to gain prominence in European countries, and will further cause problems with our southern neighbor. Don't be surprised if we witness the birth of a 21st century Pancho Villa because of Trump and his 'Deplorables'.

Oh whoops, I made a mistake... I read "conservative" as "conversation" because I guess my brain just wanted to read "shitty conversation" which is actually fitting for this thread

Anyway, in that light, I'm surprised you would suggest I'm a conservative. What makes you say that?

Dude, you and I have been conversing on here for the past 3 years when it comes to these discussions, and you do lean right a lot of times. Nothing wrong with that, you're entitled to your own opinions so no hate homie.

BTW, please don't ever re-quote long posts again. If you want to make a point, just cut out the rest and quote mine to make it easier for everyone here. :laugh:

oh shit you got me! I didn't think you would pull out the anti gay bumper sticker! I'm out you just proved that every trump supporter hates gays. well done well done you did your research and came up with irrefutable evidence.

While he has childish tendencies to attack, he is factually correct about Trump's policies being unfriendly to the LGBT community. Trump has been courting the Christian Right which has been extremely vocal in their opposition to LGBT-friendly initiatives and often indulge in conspiratorial bullshit about a non-existent "gay lobby" that runs everything supposedly

I have no affiliation with the minority trump supporters you have described. I do condemn them but the vast majority of trump supporters just have no other option. They are fed up of being shit on by the United States governing elites

You're the same guy that made blanket statements about all Muslims and refugees, and now you're crying about being lumped with the Trump supporters who have been engaging in violence and support for vile ideologies? Bitch please, you can dish it but you can't take it.

That Church fire is horrible and I totally hope they find the jerks that did it. Does almost seem like too easy a link to Trump though... The same people that incited riots at trump rallys and were PAID to make trump rallies look out of control could never do this I guess.

Would you have been satisfied if the Kansas plot by Trump supporting "Crusaders" were successful and possibly instigate another international crisis of unforeseen circumstances for the U.S.?

You know those 3 Trump fanboys didn't really care if they murdered women and children when they wanted to target Somali immigrants in Garden City, KS, right?

And as I mentioned earlier, there was another plot by an armed white Scientologist that was going to massacre worshipers at the Islamic Center of Southern California that got foiled before he was able to succeed. And guess what? He too was a staunch Trump fan and supported Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik:

http://tonyortega.org/2016/10/26/tr...ims-at-l-a-islamic-center-is-a-scientologist/

Would you have endorsed either one of these actions? Be honest, I know there's a lot of anti-Muslim bigotry in this state which I can personally attest to witnessing and experiencing first-hand.

this x100.


I'm at the point where I'm ready to call up a vote to ban this guy.

Jay, if you're gonna call for a ban on lostk, you may as well do the same for dead_catz. His comments about refugees are absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. I have friends who fled from Bosnia in the early 90s and came to America with absolutely little to nothing after having their relatives raped and murdered by Serbian militias and made a lot for themselves in spite of the trauma they endured. His bigoted rhetoric is a huge insult to what they had gone through.

 

[DUBPL8]

Some more fuel for the fire when it comes to Trump supporters' potential for causing violence:

'Neo-Nazi leader Andrew Anglin plans to muster thousands of poll-watchers across all 50 states. His partners at the alt-right website “the Right Stuff” are touting plans to set up hidden cameras at polling places in Philadelphia and hand out liquor and marijuana in the city’s “ghetto” on Election Day to induce residents to stay home. The National Socialist Movement, various factions of the Ku Klux Klan and the white nationalist American Freedom Party all are deploying members to watch polls, either “informally” or, they say, through the Trump campaign.
'The Oath Keepers, a group of former law enforcement and military members that often shows up in public heavily armed, is advising members to go undercover and conduct “intelligence-gathering” at polling places, and Donald Trump ally Roger Stone is organizing his own exit polling, aiming to monitor thousands of precincts across the country.'

POLITICO - White nationalists plot Election Day show of force

'The G.O.P.’s gender grudge feeds on its own defeat. As the culture moves further away from the conservative ideal — as women gain freedoms, minorities assert rights, same-sex marriage proves commonplace — the monster’s howls grow louder. But the howls say nothing new. This election is the decisive battle in a Thirty Years’ War.'

NY Times - How Hillary Clinton Met Satan

Perhaps surprisingly, it wasn’t Trump’s initial campaign announcement about Mexican “rapists” that cemented his support: It was his steady, consistent push for an anti-immigration platform, one of the central policy pillars of the nationalist right. And as white-nationalists began to rally around Trump as its closest political ally in a generation, they began to detect what members called “wink-wink-wink” communications from the candidate. There was his retweet of bogus murder statistics that exaggerated black crime; two separate retweets of a racist Twitter feed called @WhiteGenocideTM; and the interview that sealed the deal: the moment on CNN when—just days before the Louisiana primary—Trump dodged the question of whether to repudiate the endorsement of former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, which one commenter on the white nationalist site Stormfront called “the best political thing I have seen in my life.” ...
'Whether the white nationalist community’s embrace of Trump was the result of a conscious strategy on the campaign’s part, some sort of accident or something in between, it led to a show of unified support unprecedented for a modern major-party nominee. Even as Trump supporters argue that the candidate isn’t a racist, when it comes to the white-power movement itself, there’s no question how they see it: More than in any other modern presidential campaign, they believe they’re receiving clear and frequent signals of support.'

How White Nationalists Learned To Love Donald Trump

One of the key elements of Donald Trump’s closing messages to voters is that the entire election process is “rigged.” He has no proof of an elaborate conspiracy, but the GOP nominee is nevertheless convinced nefarious forces are working against him.

To that end, Trump is urging his followers to not only vote for him, but also to volunteer for his campaign’s “poll-monitoring” program. As the Republican candidate sees it, Trump’s devotees should travel to areas where the right suspects voter fraud – invariably, their concerns focus on urban areas where voters tend to be people of color – and effectively serve as vigilantes on behalf of the GOP presidential ticket, inspecting voting precincts and looking for suspicious voters.

As one Trump voter, responding to the candidate’s call, recently explained, “I’ll look for … well, it’s called racial profiling. Mexicans. Syrians. People who can’t speak American. I’m going to go right up behind them. I’ll do everything legally. I want to see if they are accountable. I’m not going to do anything illegal. I’m going to make them a little bit nervous.”

Trump Republican Brownshirts to Monitor Minority Polling Places

'Allen—who had been requesting that people compile a “list” of local Muslims to make a future “response much more timely”—noted in May 2016 that he’s a Trump supporter, while Stein posted a pro-Trump meme earlier this month, lumped among his pro-Confederacy comments, fake Founding Father quotes, and threats to kill UN peacekeepers. Wright, meanwhile, stuck to sharing Democrats-as-Hitler memes and posts putatively proving that US president Barack Obama was born in Kenya. ...
'“[Trump’s campaign rhetoric] has played a huge role,” MacNab told me. Anti-government extremists “have always had to come up with excuses for why they’re going to do what they’re going to do. This campaign gives them respectability. The campaign says, ‘Oh, we’re not working in the shadows. We’re the heroes. We’re the patriots. We have a man who’s going to represent us in the office. And if he doesn’t win because he says the election is rigged, it’s going to be our duty to act on that.’”'

The Election Day violence Trump supporters have promised is already happening

 

[thedude4bides]

Back in the 1970s, many people considered William Calley a saint in spite of his role in the despicable My Lai massacre in 1968. A brave servicemember by the name of Hugh Thompson Jr. was seen as enemy #1 for doing the right thing, which was to protect Vietnamese civilians from being massacred by fellow US troops, which did happen and there's no use denying it. The amount of abuse and hate Thompson Jr suffered was nothing short of deplorable (no pun intended). Someone who uphold US military values and ethics in war should have been rewarded from the beginning and held as a saint, not as a pariah. For fuck's sake, even a fake progressive piece of shit like Jimmy Carter held a a celebration titled "Rally for Calley" when he was Governor of GA in the 1970s (something I will forever hold against Carter for venerating a war criminal with the blood of civilians on his hands).

The point? Many Americans would rather rally behind someone who exhibits machoism than someone that did the right thing even in uniform. If you ask me, Hugh Thompson Jr is someone I hold far more dear to when it comes to exemplifying American values and military ethics than someone like William Calley or Chris Kyle.



You don't seem to get it: HE WAS HARASSING LESLIE JONES AND HIS DUMBFUCK FOLLOWERS WERE BOMBARDING HER WITH RACIST IMAGERY. AND HE ENCOURAGED IT. This wasn't his first or second offense, and the fact that he targeted someone as high profile as her was the straw that broke the camel's back. And no, free speech doesn't mean you have the right to incite attacks and unleash a torrent of abuse and harassment that goes beyond social media and towards physical harm. Milo was one of the proponents of the #Gamergate movement and maybe you might want to read up on the horrible tactics they have used on female game developers due to their machismo being under assault.

Also, how old are you? Did you attend university in the wake of the 2003 invasion of Iraq? You know how many right wing pro-war nutjobs tried so hard to shut down ANY legitimate criticism of the war effort? Go look up ProtestWarrior. And you want to lecture me about free speech? :laugh:



No, it isn't. When someone resorts to constant abuse and going as far as doxxing them, that goes way beyond free speech and goes towards abuse and harassment. When you choose to join a social media platform, you agree to adhere to the policies when it comes to having an account with them. It's not a right, but a privilege. If you're so concerned about censorship when it comes to abuse and harassment, start your own social media network.



I didn't call you names, but I have no problem calling Milo for what he is: a vile excuse of a human being.



Maybe because there are attempts right here in this country to not only roll back the hard-earned efforts by the LGBT groups to fight for their civil liberties? Or perhaps in some states, employers can still fire you for being gay and there's not a damn thing anyone can do about it? Or the fact that transgender people are still subject to ridicule, abuse, and even murder?

What's telling is that after the horrible events at Pulse Nightclub in Orlando, you saw a lot of Christian nutbags cheering the murder and calling it a job well done. There were even a couple of US Marines (both of them white) who posted a video and promised another Orlando in San Diego before they were arrested for threats.

Now I want to know what Middle Eastern countries have you been to? I've heard white Americans describe Singapore as "oppressive" because they can't chew gum or do drugs over there, so I want to know what countries you spent time in the region to describe such a thing.



Aggie, eh? Oh man you're making it too easy for me. Where do I start?

How about this blatantly homophobic sign not too long ago by A&M fans?

Or the fact that Texas A&M was listed at number 19 out of 20 for being the most unfriendly LGBT university according to the Princeton Review?

And last but not least, a measure to let students opt out of funding LGBT center via religious exemptions was passed with flying colors, and the reasoning:



Still want to deny the presence of a bigoted vocal minority that is traditionally hostile to gay people?



Posts like these show further proof that Texas needs to turn blue and reinvest in its educational system.



Disagree in this instance bro. This is an election that has far higher stakes than the previous elections. Trump's win will create a dangerous trend that will allow far-right populist leaders to gain prominence in European countries, and will further cause problems with our southern neighbor. Don't be surprised if we witness the birth of a 21st century Pancho Villa because of Trump and his 'Deplorables'.



Dude, you and I have been conversing on here for the past 3 years when it comes to these discussions, and you do lean right a lot of times. Nothing wrong with that, you're entitled to your own opinions so no hate homie.

BTW, please don't ever re-quote long posts again. If you want to make a point, just cut out the rest and quote mine to make it easier for everyone here. :laugh:



While he has childish tendencies to attack, he is factually correct about Trump's policies being unfriendly to the LGBT community. Trump has been courting the Christian Right which has been extremely vocal in their opposition to LGBT-friendly initiatives and often indulge in conspiratorial bullshit about a non-existent "gay lobby" that runs everything supposedly



You're the same guy that made blanket statements about all Muslims and refugees, and now you're crying about being lumped with the Trump supporters who have been engaging in violence and support for vile ideologies? Bitch please, you can dish it but you can't take it.



Would you have been satisfied if the Kansas plot by Trump supporting "Crusaders" were successful and possibly instigate another international crisis of unforeseen circumstances for the U.S.?

You know those 3 Trump fanboys didn't really care if they murdered women and children when they wanted to target Somali immigrants in Garden City, KS, right?

And as I mentioned earlier, there was another plot by an armed white Scientologist that was going to massacre worshipers at the Islamic Center of Southern California that got foiled before he was able to succeed. And guess what? He too was a staunch Trump fan and supported Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik:

http://tonyortega.org/2016/10/26/tr...ims-at-l-a-islamic-center-is-a-scientologist/

Would you have endorsed either one of these actions? Be honest, I know there's a lot of anti-Muslim bigotry in this state which I can personally attest to witnessing and experiencing first-hand.



Jay, if you're gonna call for a ban on lostk, you may as well do the same for dead_catz. His comments about refugees are absolutely disgusting and disgraceful. I have friends who fled from Bosnia in the early 90s and came to America with absolutely little to nothing after having their relatives raped and murdered by Serbian militias and made a lot for themselves in spite of the trauma they endured. His bigoted rhetoric is a huge insult to what they had gone through.

Oh, I know... It's dreadful when one quotes a book like that:laugh:

 

[DUBPL8]

Oh, I know... It's dreadful when one quotes a book like that:laugh:

It's a lot easier than making post after post after post. I'm all about efficiency so why not condense it all with one post? :iono: