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Chipping voiding warranty

GTI2007

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Bouston said:
Perfect for the wife as well:thumbsup:

indeed and that all by the push of a button. When you get in your car you push it into full HP and when you get out of your car again you push again and it stands back of factory HP while your wife drives with the car and has no idea of the button thing
 

SinCity702

Ready to race!
Location
Las Vegas, NV
yea what kind of turbo does this car have. What would be considered a upgrade.And does anyone know how much boost it does stock and potentially whats the peak you can move it up to before your engine goes "boom"
 

Fast Eddie GTI

Autocross Newbie
Location
WA
The Revo software also has an optional selector switch that allows you to essentially turn the chip on or off...they just don't have the MKV one out yet:mad:

I'm just figure I'll get the switch and then take it to the dealer in the off mode:thumbsup:
 

//caliber\\

Drag Race Newbie
Fast Eddie GTI said:
The Revo software also has an optional selector switch that allows you to essentially turn the chip on or off...they just don't have the MKV one out yet:mad:

I'm just figure I'll get the switch and then take it to the dealer in the off mode:thumbsup:

So they install an actual switch somewhere in the car? Anyone know how you put APR's chip into stealth mode (via a switch or what)?
 

Fast Eddie GTI

Autocross Newbie
Location
WA
//caliber\\ said:
So they install an actual switch somewhere in the car? Anyone know how you put APR's chip into stealth mode (via a switch or what)?

You get a hand held switch that plugs into the OBD port.

APR you can select through the turn signal stalk. However, if you don't get the security program, someone "in the know" might be able to put it into fun mode.

Either way, it's about the same IMO. I went with the Revo because I like my local dealer a whole lot better than my local APR dealer.
 

E-RPM SOFT COM

New member
Location
usa
From what I understand is that whatever part breaks on your car they have to prove that it's a direct result of the prt you modified. If you chip your GTI and your wiper motor burns out then there's no way it can be the chips fault.
 

piston

Options
Location
Seattle
From what I understand is that whatever part breaks on your car they have to prove that it's a direct result of the prt you modified. If you chip your GTI and your wiper motor burns out then there's no way it can be the chips fault.
Keep in mind that if they deny you warranty repair base on that you were chipped that they can put it upon you to obtain a lawyer/mechanic and prove to them that the chip had nothing to do with the reported issue, which can cost a sufficient amount of money.
 

707Stang

I'm Hella From Nor*Cal
Location
Nor*Cal
holy thread revival batman.
 

Arin@APR

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Location
Auburn, Al
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B8 S4, MK7 GSW TDI
I just wrote this for a passat CC customer:

Let me cover a few common questions.

Can the dealer see APR flashed my car?
No. All flash counters and original ECU information is retained. It will appear identical on all scantools as the way it was before flashing with APR software.

Can the dealer drive my car, feel the difference, and log the car to see the difference, thus identifying I'm chipped?
Yes. But we have a way to protect against this. If you purchase 'Stock Mode' you get an identical copy of your stock calibration. If you put the car in stock mode, they will not be able to tell a difference since the stock mode is the same exact stock calibration that came with your car.

Is stock mode really 'stock' or is it APR's version of stock?
It is stock. APR's program switching routines allows us to reflash the ECU each time you switch programs. Everything is internal and not though external devices. We simply have a copy of the stock program in the ECU.

Can't the dealer just switch from stock mode back to APR chipped mode if they know how to switch programs? Woln't they see the flashing lights APR uses for program switching and tell I'm chipped?
Yes. But we have a way to protect against this too! If you purchase 'Security Lockout' you can lock your car in stock mode. When locked, you must enter a code into the car to change programs. There's no indication of flashing lights or any ability to switch programs until this code is entered. This code is chosen by you. It's 4 digits long, much like an ATM pin number.

Can't the dealer just check boost log history in the ECU?
No. The ECU does not store boost logs.

But I've seen fault codes that list ambient pressure!
Ambient pressure is not boost pressure. Ambient pressure is the pressure outside the vehicle. The ambient pressure sensor is a small sensor physically located in the cars computer chip board.

I'm smart. I know you cant just add code and expect a file size to stay the same. If the dealer looks at the factory ECU file size and compares it to your file, it will be different
First off, the dealer cant do this but even if they could it wouldn't matter. ECU files sizes are fixed in length. Think of the file size as a piece of paper. If you write on only half of a piece of paper and you write on an entire piece of paper the size of the paper is still the same. That's how the ECU files work. You're given a file that's about 2 megs. If you don't use up some of the area on that file, it's still two megs. We fill up the unused area.

Oh, well then cant the dealership just compare the two files and see one looks different than the other?
Nope! Each file is encrypted, even when it's completely stock. It's a bunch of jumbled garbage. It's calculated before flashing to the car. No two files are identical and they require a super computer array to decrypt the files and recalculate all checksums and RAS encryption keys before flashing/decrypting/encrypting etc.

Can't the dealer just ask for the encryption keys?
No. Bosch does not give out that information nor do they check ECU's for dealerships.
 

T13R

Newbie
Location
Montreal, Canada
I had a quick question about the security lock-out. If this is on, can the dealer reflash the ECU? If he has to for some reason (new update) and can't, won't this trigger suspicion that the car may be chipped? I'm pretty sure many dealers are aware of chip tuning and some of the main tuners out there.

And this might be wishful thinking, but with APR involved in so many VW projects, why can't VW just acknowledge the APR reflash and keep the warranty intact without the need for APR or other chip tuners to hide the reflash?
 

scott1971

Ready to race!
Location
Durham, NC
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2007 UG GTI
I had a quick question about the security lock-out. If this is on, can the dealer reflash the ECU? If he has to for some reason (new update) and can't, won't this trigger suspicion that the car may be chipped? I'm pretty sure many dealers are aware of chip tuning and some of the main tuners out there.

And this might be wishful thinking, but with APR involved in so many VW projects, why can't VW just acknowledge the APR reflash and keep the warranty intact without the need for APR or other chip tuners to hide the reflash?

To reply to your first question, I was curious about this also. The security feature does not lock anyone out of the ecu, it merely locks the ecu into stock mode. Thus not allowing anyone to mess with the controls to put it into 91,93,etc. mode. It still allows the dealership access to update the ECU.

For the second part of your post, I'll let someone at APR answer that.
 

T13R

Newbie
Location
Montreal, Canada
To reply to your first question, I was curious about this also. The security feature does not lock anyone out of the ecu, it merely locks the ecu into stock mode. Thus not allowing anyone to mess with the controls to put it into 91,93,etc. mode. It still allows the dealership access to update the ECU.
Very nice, thanks for the answer. :thumbsup:
 

frank15032000

frank15032000
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Victoria TEXAS (Houston)
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To houston alot
I SWITCH MINE back to stock every time i go to the dealer. I have lock out feature too.... APR BABY!!!!!!
 
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