Oh ok. I won’t be tracking till late April early may.
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DSC Sport Active Suspension Controller
- Thread starter DSC Sport
- Start date
DSC Sport
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- Jessup, MD
- Car(s)
- 7.5 Golf R
It is pretty simple on the golf. It is located in the trunk compartment behind driver side rear wheel well. Here is a write up for the full install: VW Golf R DSC Install
DSC Sport
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- Jessup, MD
- Car(s)
- 7.5 Golf R
With coding there may be a way to change the dampening. But it isn't going to compare to an entirely new module that is able to read the cars sensors and monitor G Force, Brake Pressure, Steering Angle, Speed, Acceleration, Shock Calibration, and Velocity in real time and then make active adjustments based on those inputs
DSC Sport
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- Jessup, MD
- Car(s)
- 7.5 Golf R
As of now, we haven't been able to get our new controllers on track yet. We plan on getting a few test cars on track once the weather finally breaks. But there is plenty on track data for most of our other applications. Here is good example of how our controller improved on the track for a Camaro: https://www.dscsport.com/2017/08/11/the-proof-is-in-the-data-dsc-for-camaro-is-a-game-changer/ These are the results we have seen in just about every application of ours. Our controller has proved itself time and time again. The new VW and Audi controllers are just an extension of that
burgerkong
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Ontario, Canadeh
So what happened with the $1299 beta testing? Kinda screwed over a few people on this board because it messed up traction control. You should probably come clean and explain.
burgerkong
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Ontario, Canadeh
Happy reading:
https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/dsc-sport-controller-for-the-mk7-7-5r.9364277/post-114371645
https://www.vwvortex.com/threads/dsc-sport-controller-for-the-mk7-7-5r.9364277/post-114374615
I can't search for DSC here correctly, but it was posted on this board as well.
I skimmed through them. Holy crap!
burgerkong
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Ontario, Canadeh
It's not exactly new, it's almost 10 months old. And stop equating other cars with VAG's DCC. DCC is a neutered version of active suspension, completely different than how even Audi and Porsche implements their version. Please explain what is different vs the 'beta' you guys sold (to put it nicely) previously that also was marketed the same exact way.
I must say, it certainly was a beta product. In reality it was at alpha stage then and I would have appreciated knowing ahead of time just how early and non release ready it was.
Been following both forums lately and the recent threads gives me the sense this is now somewhere between beta and a release candidate (RC) of sorts. Execution was way off first time and there is rarely a 2nd chance for successful product launches.
Hope it works out for them.
Cuzoe
Autocross Champion
- Location
- Los Angeles
Yea, seems the money that should have changed hands in the early stages should have been for material cost of the module, with a deposit that would be applied to purchase if a tester (not yet customer) decides to buy the module. Deposit would of course be refunded after sending the module back if the tester does not buy, or forfeited if not returned within an agreed upon timeframe.
I have to think the data on their modules is encrypted and not easy to steal. Being that it's not a new product, just new to this platform... no point in stealing un-tested software when you could order one of their released/reviewed products and steal from there (if stealing is your plan).
I have to think the data on their modules is encrypted and not easy to steal. Being that it's not a new product, just new to this platform... no point in stealing un-tested software when you could order one of their released/reviewed products and steal from there (if stealing is your plan).
DSC Sport
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- Jessup, MD
- Car(s)
- 7.5 Golf R
We have been very transparent with everything if you look at more recent boards across most forums. There has been a lot of work that has went into the controller over the past year and we have finally been able to work out all of the kinks in the VW and Audi controllers. We have installed multiple controllers the past couple weeks as a very last test and to get a few more customer reviews on the tuning files for all of the modes before going public. As for those "beta" ones, we actually purchased all of them back awhile ago and if for some reason any still exist out there, we will correct the issue.
As stated in the threads, there were issues communicating with the traction control system in our beginning stages of development. We finally worked out everything with it. We found out the stock unit actually sends out pulses to the traction control systems, which ours was not doing at the time. Because of this, cars were receiving an error code. This has been corrected with our new firmware and has been installed in 6 VW and Audis this week with great success. We haven't seen any fault or error codes and the unit was completely operational and working well for everyone.
burgerkong
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Ontario, Canadeh
Which threads are those? Because on Vortex, your rep Jeremy pretty much dropped off the face of the earth and left the users hanging in that thread. You have to admit selling a unit that wasn't close to ready for retail is a pretty dick move. AFAIK, even though people got the refund, they acted as your beta testers with nothing to show for except waster labour and time. That's shitty. That's not what anyone calls 'transparency'.
Not to mention:
With no track testing done and no lap times provided, along with zero data acquisition showing the improved roll rates, lateral G's (at minimum), even a video demonstrating how 'composed' a car is with DSC tuning and not. Don't use winter as an excuse, plenty of people in CA and other states that are actively tracking.
Isn't this something you should have discovered during initial development? At minimum, when doing electronics reverse engineering, a scope is hooked up in parallel to capture any signals/impulses going out, and maybe a mock CANBUS test setup.
Oh and those cars with the units already installed? Where are their experiences posted up? Specifically impartial, non-sponsored experiences. You can see how questionable your company's rep is on the VW boards....
DSC Sport
Passed Driver's Ed
- Location
- Jessup, MD
- Car(s)
- 7.5 Golf R
The replies were posted on the VW Vortex Forum thread you actually referenced earlier all within the last week or so. VW Vortex has the posts hidden right now because there were issues on their backend when transferring my account to a vendor account. It happened to delete old replies from my profile but they are working to resolve that now. But the other half of the conversations are still in that thread as proof.
It wasn't a full retail release. As you had stated it was only a select few of "beta testers" and we had worked with every one of those cars one on one.
You are right, we do not have any on track data at this time for the MQB platform. But that is because of winter. All of the cars we have completed in the last month as a final round before going public are all local to use to make sure we could be hands on with every single one of them and record all findings. So while yes, there is cars that are able to tack their cars right now. We have not been able to yet since we are really using those local cars but as with all of our cars it will be done and clear results will be provided. But as anyone can see our products have been proven across many platforms over the years and they do work exactly as advertised. There is a reason the Porsche community has stood behind it for over 10 years. And with other platforms becoming more popular track data keeps flowing in just like this: DSC Sport Camaro on Track Testing
We sniff out and reverse engineer the electronics of every single car we have a product for, that's how they work. At that time we had thought we were sending out the right signals, but it happened to not function correctly with the traction control module. That has been corrected, every one of our controllers works 100% and have had no issues since. As with our research and development, we have been able to create a proprietary product that no one else has done in the industry.
None of the most recent cars were sponsored in anyway. We posted in a couple local Facebook pages looking for cars in the area who would be interested. Every one of those owners purchased a controller from us, there was nothing given out to create a bias. Those owners and car experience have been shared wherever the owners shared. Seems like all of those are on Facebook. But it is completely on them at their own free will.
It wasn't a full retail release. As you had stated it was only a select few of "beta testers" and we had worked with every one of those cars one on one.
You are right, we do not have any on track data at this time for the MQB platform. But that is because of winter. All of the cars we have completed in the last month as a final round before going public are all local to use to make sure we could be hands on with every single one of them and record all findings. So while yes, there is cars that are able to tack their cars right now. We have not been able to yet since we are really using those local cars but as with all of our cars it will be done and clear results will be provided. But as anyone can see our products have been proven across many platforms over the years and they do work exactly as advertised. There is a reason the Porsche community has stood behind it for over 10 years. And with other platforms becoming more popular track data keeps flowing in just like this: DSC Sport Camaro on Track Testing
We sniff out and reverse engineer the electronics of every single car we have a product for, that's how they work. At that time we had thought we were sending out the right signals, but it happened to not function correctly with the traction control module. That has been corrected, every one of our controllers works 100% and have had no issues since. As with our research and development, we have been able to create a proprietary product that no one else has done in the industry.
None of the most recent cars were sponsored in anyway. We posted in a couple local Facebook pages looking for cars in the area who would be interested. Every one of those owners purchased a controller from us, there was nothing given out to create a bias. Those owners and car experience have been shared wherever the owners shared. Seems like all of those are on Facebook. But it is completely on them at their own free will.
burgerkong
Drag Racing Champion
- Location
- Ontario, Canadeh
Wrong.
If VW Vortex had hid the replies, I wouldn't have been able to link to them. And no, the replies were from 9 months ago (jsut a few of the replies):
Your rep stopped logging in 4 months ago:
It doesn't matter how great your controller is on other makes and models. It's quite literally irrelevant. The DCC is a particular type of adaptive suspension. It is not magnetic ride like it is on your ZL1 Camaro article. In other words, useless comparison.
If you aren't telling your initial customers to post up their experiences, how on earth are you going to sell your product? Clearly word of mouth isn't going so well because of the recent social media campaign from DSC regarding this very product.
You're telling me you never reached out to anyone in the West Coast? Or Atlanta? Or Charlotte? Why make the track claim if you've never actually tested it on the track? And that's not even taking into account the accelerated wear and tear due to the solenoid being constantly actuated.
Lots of questions.