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06 civic Si vs. my 06 MKV at the track
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czechgigalo
Ready to race!
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- Los Angeles(SFV)
Horizon said:
I agree this shit does turn people away... Thats the reason I chose this forum, because it had the least of this trash taking....
davis_grad
Touring Car Champion
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- Marin
HotLanta MKfizzle said:
Not to sound too critical, but would you do us all a favor and tone the rhetoric down a wee bit and be a bit more polite. The original poster was making a valid point on how these comparisons prove nothing, and you responded with a flame. Try googling "flame, flame bait" for more info.
Cheers.
Dubdr
Rally Car Champion
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- Hampton, NH
Like I said I didn't want to piss you off, I was just stating my opinion. I even said, nice run in the first post. I am a car guy, I like all cars, some more than others (vw) but clearly some people like VW alot more than other cars, sorry you guys took my comments the wrong way. Didn't mean to sound like an ass#$% or piss you off. Again, Sorry.
sublyme
Touring Car Champion
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- Sydney, Australia
Not sure how it works there in the US, but over here the reaction time doesn't contribute to the 1/4 mile time as the time only starts when you actually start going.
Reaction time is measured from the second that the light goes green, hence you can sit there for 10 secs after the light goes green but your time won't start yet till you start moving. It just means you'll get a 10 sec reaction time.
Reaction time is measured from the second that the light goes green, hence you can sit there for 10 secs after the light goes green but your time won't start yet till you start moving. It just means you'll get a 10 sec reaction time.
Sublyme, you're right. It matters as to who gets the win light though, but when doing an et comparison, doesn't matter. The Si has a serious weight advantage, same hp, although quite a bit less torque, which means if you don't know how to launch off the moon and modulate the throttle to control wheelspin, you'll never get a good time. Where I do see the Civic to be a good run would be from a 60mph roll. In the mag comparisons, the Si pulls ahead around 110-120mph. The power to weight took over at that point.
A41.8QTM
That's what she said
- Location
- Virginia Beach, VA
- Car(s)
- 2008 GTI
Picture links at the start of the thread are broken...and I haven't read every post BUT...I assume we're talking about a drag strip rather than a road course or auto-x track right? Not sure about you all but I don't do much 1/4 mile max speed driving on a daily basis so why would I care who wins a drag race? Sounds like a bit of a stupid benchmark to me. I don't have anything against Honda...it's a fine car and some people prefer them. Ilike VW/Audi more myself but I don't hold that against Honda guys...although some of them do give the whole lot a bad rep.
So here's my opinion on the matter...sorry if this is a re-post.
If you buy a Honda, you end up with a Honda...
So here's my opinion on the matter...sorry if this is a re-post.
If you buy a Honda, you end up with a Honda...
on the way home on I95 (a major highway for those of you who are foreign) he got next to me again and we slowed it down to like 40mph and took off. ill be honest i popped the clutch but then again he has work and is broken in, i have nothing. in any case i jumped about a fender in front then started a really slow creep. the creeping stopped and i heard him miss a gear. i was going to give him another shot but he just wouldnt want to line up anymore. yes he was a bad driver ill give you honda guys that, but i should have never jumped or even creeped on him at all on a roll. especially with him being in such high rpm's. maybe it was the added weight of his underbody neon light kit.. IDK
GTT
Touring Car Champion
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- US, Chicago
Dubdr said:
The Honda engineers choose their engine, the VW engineers choose their engine.
These are stock engines, not modded. Thus, I don't get your point.
It's not as if a NA engine can't beat a turbo. It's just that stock turbo engines have advantages and that's why the're used. Honda could have used an FI engine if they wanted.
If the GTI were NA and the guy put FI in it and then ran the stock SI, sure it should be called an "avantage". But, that was stock for stock.
You can FI any engine. You seem to imply that if Honda went with turbo then the Si would win. That's a far fetched assumption if that is what you mean.
If you take the stock Si and put a turbo on it then YEAH of course it should beat the stock GTI.
But, make some changes to the GTI to keep things going and the GTI can increase it's power as well.
So, no the SI doesn't have an excuse nor does it need it. It's much lighter than the GTI so it has a big weigth advantage. Also, the Si has been testing to be the faster car when speeds increase over 90-100mph when it's weight and aero tweaks have the advantage.
The SI is a great car so it doesn't really need an excuse.
BTW, these are excellent all around handling/driving cars. 1/4 mile drag racing is wasted on these types of automobiles. It misses the point.
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GTT
Touring Car Champion
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- US, Chicago
blackmkv said:
Well, VW is claiming 200hp at the crank, so that's the point of reference.
There is nothing concrete out there that every GTI is putting out 225hp to the crank and getting 200hp at the wheels. That's from a couple of examples and we'll need more before we get a better representation.
Not all GTI's are getting 200hp to the wheels considering that many accel tests are putting some of these car in the high 6's and lower 7's. If the engine truly has 225hp at the crank then it's sad that it gets to 60 in a long 7.1.
VW (US) uses the SAE standards and rules that other manufactures use.
So, those are the base numbers by which to compare.
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GTT
Touring Car Champion
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- US, Chicago
tydale3 said:
HP and torque are important. The high hp to weight of the SI starts to show it's stuff when speeds get over 90mph.
Also, Honda and Acura have upped their warranties. The base bumper to bumper is 3-36k, but I believe the power train warranty is now 5-60k.
Don't kid youself, Honda KNOWS and does build reliable power.
And, I wouldn't say the GTI "blows" the Si away. They are very close and thus become a drivers race.
The rest of the comparison should include the GTI's higher price as to why it may be more comfortable or have a certain type finish.
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