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In the link to that Si vs. GTI race the GTI later ran a 14.9 just fyi!!
Faster2.0 said:Here's a quick question. By no means am I trying to downplay the GTI as I own one but, the 197 bhp that Honda advertises is not to the wheels right? Then with the little torque that they make they are doing something right. I have owned two Hondas in the past and zero defects. This year I think VW just made a car more to my liking.
sublyme said:Not sure how it works there in the US, but over here the reaction time doesn't contribute to the 1/4 mile time as the time only starts when you actually start going.
Reaction time is measured from the second that the light goes green, hence you can sit there for 10 secs after the light goes green but your time won't start yet till you start moving. It just means you'll get a 10 sec reaction time.
GTT said:Yeah, 7.1. Do your homework before coming off like that.
The GTI has a broad range of 0-60 times. C&D got 6.0 not 5.9, or should we keep going lower and lower? That time is THE single best time I've come across. Also, since no other publication has come close to that number, then we'll still cite it but it has to be recognized as NOT a definitive number to use.T
GTT said:VW even says the GTI manual is a 6.8 sec. car and that's pretty good for a manufacturer claim where it's listed to be conisistent rather the best time acheived.
There have been GTI and GLI times in the low 7 range, again, those are not indicative of typical performance just like the 6.0 C&D time isn't.
Thus, the VW published numbers are good. It's very possible that some engines produce greater power than others.T
GTT said:Using some dyno's we've seen, it appears the crank output would be somewhere in the 225hp range.
That's 12% MORE than what's listed as stock. Given the crazy advertising VW is using, I'm sure their "Fast" would want to advertise the greater power number if it were consistent.T
GTT said:Your last statement is one of preference not of reality. Overall performance includes such things as handling, braking, ride, noise, reliability, etc... and not just a few tenths quicker to 60 or in the 1/4.T
GTT said:In general:
Yes, we here prefer the GTI for our own reasons. However, it seems obvious now that we're starting to get a good number of "fanboys" posting and ranting silly, unknowing, inexperienced, and rude comments.
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VDUB725 said:Realizing this, don't you think that if 2 car mags can achieve 0-60 in 6.0 and 6.3 seconds, that if launch control was used, it could best those numbers?
VDUB725 said:Yea man.......I'm real inexperienced. I'm barely 6 months out of of a severly modified 2003 GTI 1.8t and getting into an argument with a guy driving a BMW 325i. Yea man......You are CLEARLY more experienced with Turbo Charged VW's..........
i just showed you:laugh: . and im not planning on duplicating,, i will beat most car magazine times on my 6 speed.... anyways,, ease up guys we're all car fanatics which means we're all on the same team here!Wantagti said:Many of you won't be able to duplicate magazine times, so what does it matter what they run, what have YOU run???
Teknophreak said:Actually, the 6.0 time was on a European model using launch control. That's probably about the best this car will get. The North American model isn't going to do a 6 sec flat run. 6.3 is the best I've seen and is pretty impressive given the more typical 6.6 sec runs. (DSG)
And why would a car company underrate the HP on a car??? That's a major selling point. Perhaps it is because there a different methods used to measure HP? A new method was introduced this year that actually lowered the rating on many cars. Google 'SAE horsepower ratings' and put your ass in the know before you go popping off like you know something.
How old are you???
VDUB725 said:HAHA, the only thing you got me on is Me not reading the Car and Driver Article recently.
VDUB725 said:That being said. Why would a car company underrate the HP? I can't answer that, but they did.
Teknophreak said:Not trying to "get" you. Just pointing out that the car tested had LC. It doesn't matter anyway - what's .3 of a second in the real world??
I'm not going to argue this with you because you come across like an amped up 16 year old. Pretty soon you're gonna claim that the GTI (which, btw, I own - looks like you're driving a Saab) will do a sub-14 sec 1/4 mile. Even funnier will be that you think it matters...